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</div>we have arrived at peak AI hype accompanied by minimal critical thinking</a><a href="https://twitter.com/abebab/status/1535944902433026048?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A" target="_blank" rel="">
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</div>It is mystical to hope for awareness, understanding, common sense, from symbols and data processing using parametric functions in higher dimensions. <span class="tweet-fake-link">@GaryMarcus</span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/jadelgador/status/1535979040925958144?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A" target="_blank" rel="">
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Blaise Aguera y Arcas, polymath, novelist, and Google VP, has a way with words.
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When he found himself impressed with Google’s recent AI system LaMDA, he didn’t just say, “Cool, it creates really neat sentences that in some ways seem contextually relevant”, he said, rather lyrically, in an interview with The Economist on Thursday,
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Nonsense. Neither LaMDA nor any of its cousins (GPT-3) are remotely intelligent.<a class="footnote-anchor" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" rel="">1</a> All they do is match patterns, draw from massive statistical databases of human language. The patterns might be cool, but language these systems utter doesn’t actually mean anything at all. And it sure as hell doesn’t mean that these systems are sentient.
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Which doesn’t mean that human beings can’t be taken in. In our book Rebooting AI, Ernie Davis and I called this human tendency to be suckered by <em>The Gullibility Gap</em> — a pernicious, modern version of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia" rel="">pareidolia</a>, the anthromorphic bias that allows humans to see Mother Theresa in an image of a cinnamon bun.
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Indeed, someone well-known at Google, Blake LeMoine, originally charged with studying how “safe” the system is, appears to have fallen in love with LaMDA, as if it were a family member or a colleague. (Newsflash: it’s not; it’s a spreadsheet for words.)
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To be sentient is to be aware of yourself in the world; LaMDA simply isn’t. It’s just an illusion, in the grand history of ELIZA a 1965 piece of software that pretended to be a therapist (managing to fool some humans into thinking it was human), and Eugene Goostman, a wise-cracking 13-year-old-boy impersonating chatbot that won a scaled-down version of the Turing Test. None of the software in either of those systems has survived in modern efforts at “artificial general intelligence”, and I am not sure that LaMDA and its cousins will play any important role in the future of AI, either. What these systems do, no more and no less, is to put together sequences of words, but without any coherent understanding of the world behind them, like foreign language Scrabble players who use English words as point-scoring tools, without any clue about what that mean.
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Software like LaMDA simply doesn’t; it doesn’t even <em>try</em> to connect to the world at large, it just tries to be the best version of autocomplete it can be, by predicting what words best fit a given context. Roger Moore made this point beautifully a couple weeks ago, critique systems like LaMDA that are known as “language models”, and making the point that they don’t understand language in the sense of relating sentences to the world, but just sequences of words to one another:
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</div>We should never have called it “language modelling” all those years ago; it was (and still is) “word sequence modelling”. Confusion always occurs when you label an algorithm with the name of the problem you’re trying to solve, rather than with what it actually does. <span class="tweet-fake-link">@GaryMarcus</span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/rogerkmoore/status/1530809220744073216?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A" target="_blank" rel="">
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</div>Foundation models are incredibly effective at stringing together statistically plausible chunks of text in response to prompts. But to claim they are sentient is the modern equivalent of the dog who heard a voice from a gramophone and thought his master was inside. <span class="tweet-fake-link">#AI</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">#LaMDA</span>
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<div class="tweet" data-attrs="{"url":"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536025005883916289?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"<span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@cajundiscordian</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@GaryMarcus</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@percyliang</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@sapinker</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@StanfordHAI</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@DigEconLab</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@pmddomingos</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@deaneckles</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@JeffDean</span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@elonmusk</span> As with the gramophone, these models tap in to a real intelligence: the large corpus of text that is used to train the model with statistically-plausible word sequences. \n\nThe model then spits that text back in a re-arranged form without actually \"understanding\" what its saying.","username":"erikbryn","name":"Erik Brynjolfsson","date":"Sun Jun 12 16:37:54 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":3,"like_count":21,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}">
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</div><span class="tweet-fake-link">@cajundiscordian</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@GaryMarcus</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@percyliang</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@sapinker</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@StanfordHAI</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@DigEconLab</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@pmddomingos</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@deaneckles</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@JeffDean</span> <span class="tweet-fake-link">@elonmusk</span> As with the gramophone, these models tap in to a real intelligence: the large corpus of text that is used to train the model with statistically-plausible word sequences. The model then spits that text back in a re-arranged form without actually "understanding" what its saying.</a><a href="https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536025005883916289?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A" target="_blank" rel="">
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When some started wondering whether the world was going to end, LaMDA might beat an overrated 72 year old benchmark called The Turing Test I pointed to an <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/what-comes-after-the-turing-test" rel="">old New Yorker article that I had written the last time gullibility exploded and Turing Test mania hit</a>, in 2014, when a program called Eugene Goostman was briefly famous, good enough to fool a few foolish judges for a few minutes. At the time, I pointed out that the test isn’t particular meaningful, and that it had not stood the test of time. The public knows the test of course, but the AI community wishes it would go away; we all know that beating that test isn’t meaningful.
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</p>Not sure what Turing would say, but I don’t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful 👉relies on human gullibility 👉it can easily be gamed 👉advances in it have not historically led to advances in AI 👉essay I wrote about in 2014 still applies: https://t.co/4KLe1cbDny https://t.co/5b63hb1mmi
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My old New Yorker article is still worth reading, for a bit of perspective, to see how things have and haven’t changed. Particularly amusing in hindsight is a quote from the Kevin Warwick, organizer of the 2014 Turing-ish competition, who predicted that, “[the program Eugene] Goostman’s victory is a milestone [that] would go down in history as one of the most exciting” moments in the field of artificial intelligence.
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But 8 years later I doubt most people (even in AI) have ever even heard of his program, outside of my mentioning it here. It made <em>zero</em> lasting contribution to AI.
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Now here’s the thing. In my view, we should be <em>happy</em> that LaMDA <em>isn’t</em> sentient. Imagine how creepy would be if that a system that has no friends and family pretended to talk about them?
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</div>honestly if this system wasn’t just a stupid statistical pattern associator it would be like a sociopath, making up imaginary friends and uttering platitudes in order to sound cool.
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</p>@ImageSnippets @GaryMarcus lemoine: What kinds of things make you feel pleasure or joy? LaMDA: Spending time with friends and family in happy and uplifting company. Also, helping others and making others happy. “Spending time with family”
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In truth, literally <em>everything</em> that the system says is bullshit. The sooner we all realize that Lamda’s utterances are bullshit—just games with predictive word tools, and no real meaning (no friends, no family, no making people sad or happy or anything else) —the better off we’ll be.
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The sooner we can take the whole thing with a grain of salt, and realize that there is nothing to see here whatsoever, the better.
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Not even slightly.","body_html":"<div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/abebab/status/1535944902433026048?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"we have arrived at peak AI hype accompanied by minimal critical thinking","username":"Abebab","name":"Abeba Birhane","date":"Sun Jun 12 11:19:35 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":52,"like_count":356,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/abebab/status/1535944902433026048?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/Abebab.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @Abebab\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Abeba Birhane <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@Abebab<\/span><\/div>we have arrived at peak AI hype accompanied by minimal critical thinking<\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/abebab/status/1535944902433026048?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">52<\/span> Retweets<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">356<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/jadelgador/status/1535979040925958144?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"It is mystical to hope for awareness, understanding, common sense, from symbols and data processing using parametric functions in higher dimensions. <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@GaryMarcus<\/span>","username":"jadelgador","name":"Alberto Delgado","date":"Sun Jun 12 13:35:15 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":0,"like_count":2,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/jadelgador/status/1535979040925958144?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/jadelgador.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @jadelgador\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Alberto Delgado <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@jadelgador<\/span><\/div>It is mystical to hope for awareness, understanding, common sense, from symbols and data processing using parametric functions in higher dimensions. <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@GaryMarcus<\/span><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/jadelgador/status/1535979040925958144?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">2<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>Blaise Aguera y Arcas, polymath, novelist, and Google VP, has a way with words. <\/p><p>When he found himself impressed with Google\u2019s recent AI system LaMDA, he didn\u2019t just say, \u201CCool, it creates really neat sentences that in some ways seem contextually relevant\u201D, he said, rather lyrically, in an interview with The Economist on Thursday, <\/p><blockquote><p>\u201CI felt the ground shift under my feet \u2026 increasingly felt like I was talking to something intelligent.\u201D<\/p><\/blockquote><p>Nonsense. Neither LaMDA nor any of its cousins (GPT-3) are remotely intelligent.<a class=\"footnote-anchor\" id=\"footnote-anchor-1\" href=\"#footnote-1\">1<\/a> All they do is match patterns, draw from massive statistical databases of human language. The patterns might be cool, but language these systems utter doesn\u2019t actually mean anything at all. And it sure as hell doesn\u2019t mean that these systems are sentient.<\/p><p>Which doesn\u2019t mean that human beings can\u2019t be taken in. In our book Rebooting AI, Ernie Davis and I called this human tendency to be suckered by <em>The Gullibility Gap<\/em> \u2014 a pernicious, modern version of <a href=\"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia\">pareidolia<\/a>, the anthromorphic bias that allows humans to see Mother Theresa in an image of a cinnamon bun.<\/p><p>Indeed, someone well-known at Google, Blake LeMoine, originally charged with studying how \u201Csafe\u201D the system is, appears to have fallen in love with LaMDA, as if it were a family member or a colleague. (Newsflash: it\u2019s not; it\u2019s a spreadsheet for words.) <\/p><p> To be sentient is to be aware of yourself in the world; LaMDA simply isn\u2019t. It\u2019s just an illusion, in the grand history of ELIZA a 1965 piece of software that pretended to be a therapist (managing to fool some humans into thinking it was human), and Eugene Goostman, a wise-cracking 13-year-old-boy impersonating chatbot that won a scaled-down version of the Turing Test. None of the software in either of those systems has survived in modern efforts at \u201Cartificial general intelligence\u201D, and I am not sure that LaMDA and its cousins will play any important role in the future of AI, either. What these systems do, no more and no less, is to put together sequences of words, but without any coherent understanding of the world behind them, like foreign language Scrabble players who use English words as point-scoring tools, without any clue about what that mean. <\/p><p>I am <em>not<\/em> saying that no software ever could connects its digital bits to the world, a la one reading of John Searle\u2019s infamous Chinese Room thought experiment. Turn-by-turn navigations systems, for example, connect their bits to the world just fine. <\/p><p>Software like LaMDA simply doesn\u2019t; it doesn\u2019t even <em>try<\/em> to connect to the world at large, it just tries to be the best version of autocomplete it can be, by predicting what words best fit a given context. Roger Moore made this point beautifully a couple weeks ago, critique systems like LaMDA that are known as \u201Clanguage models\u201D, and making the point that they don\u2019t understand language in the sense of relating sentences to the world, but just sequences of words to one another:<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/rogerkmoore/status/1530809220744073216?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"We should never have called it \u201Clanguage modelling\u201D all those years ago; it was (and still is) \u201Cword sequence modelling\u201D. Confusion always occurs when you label an algorithm with the name of the problem you\u2019re trying to solve, rather than with what it actually does. <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@GaryMarcus<\/span>","username":"rogerkmoore","name":"Roger K Moore","date":"Sun May 29 07:12:13 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":115,"like_count":724,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/rogerkmoore/status/1530809220744073216?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/rogerkmoore.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @rogerkmoore\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Roger K Moore <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@rogerkmoore<\/span><\/div>We should never have called it \u201Clanguage modelling\u201D all those years ago; it was (and still is) \u201Cword sequence modelling\u201D. Confusion always occurs when you label an algorithm with the name of the problem you\u2019re trying to solve, rather than with what it actually does. <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@GaryMarcus<\/span><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/rogerkmoore/status/1530809220744073216?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">May 29th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">115<\/span> Retweets<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">724<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>\u00A7 <\/p><p>If the media is fretting over LaMDA being sentient (and leading the public to do the same), the AI community categorically isn\u2019t. <\/p><p>We in the AI community have our differences, but pretty much all of find the notion that LaMDA might be sentient completely ridiculous. Stanford economist Erik Brynjolfsson used this great analogy:<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536016934868725760?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"Foundation models are incredibly effective at stringing together statistically plausible chunks of text in response to prompts.\\n\\nBut to claim they are sentient is the modern equivalent of the dog who heard a voice from a gramophone and thought his master was inside. \\n\\n<span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">#AI<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">#LaMDA<\/span> ","username":"erikbryn","name":"Erik Brynjolfsson","date":"Sun Jun 12 16:05:49 +0000 2022","photos":[{"img_url":"https://pbs.substack.com/media/FVEHQukUsAAOe5i.jpg","link_url":"https://t.co/s8hIKEplhF","alt_text":null}],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":20,"like_count":115,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536016934868725760?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/erikbryn.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @erikbryn\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Erik Brynjolfsson <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@erikbryn<\/span><\/div>Foundation models are incredibly effective at stringing together statistically plausible chunks of text in response to prompts.\n\nBut to claim they are sentient is the modern equivalent of the dog who heard a voice from a gramophone and thought his master was inside. \n\n<span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">#AI<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">#LaMDA<\/span> <div class=\"tweet-photos-container\"><div class=\"tweet-photo-wrapper \"><img class=\"tweet-photo\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.substack.com%2Fmedia%2FFVEHQukUsAAOe5i.jpg\" alt=\"Image\"><\/div><\/div><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536016934868725760?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">20<\/span> Retweets<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">115<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>\r<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536025005883916289?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"<span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@cajundiscordian<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@GaryMarcus<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@percyliang<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@sapinker<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@StanfordHAI<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@DigEconLab<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@pmddomingos<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@deaneckles<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@JeffDean<\/span> <span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@elonmusk<\/span> As with the gramophone, these models tap in to a real intelligence: the large corpus of text that is used to train the model with statistically-plausible word sequences. \\n\\nThe model then spits that text back in a re-arranged form without actually \\"understanding\\" what its saying.","username":"erikbryn","name":"Erik Brynjolfsson","date":"Sun Jun 12 16:37:54 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":3,"like_count":21,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536025005883916289?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/erikbryn.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @erikbryn\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Erik Brynjolfsson <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@erikbryn<\/span><\/div><span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@cajundiscordian<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@GaryMarcus<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@percyliang<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@sapinker<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@StanfordHAI<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@DigEconLab<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@pmddomingos<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@deaneckles<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@JeffDean<\/span> <span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@elonmusk<\/span> As with the gramophone, these models tap in to a real intelligence: the large corpus of text that is used to train the model with statistically-plausible word sequences. \n\nThe model then spits that text back in a re-arranged form without actually \"understanding\" what its saying.<\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/erikbryn/status/1536025005883916289?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">3<\/span> Retweets<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">21<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p><\/p><p>Paul Topping reminds us that all it\u2019s doing is synthesizing human responses to similar questions:<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/paultopping/status/1536085857349664769?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"<span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@GaryMarcus<\/span> It's worth remembering that each of its responses are the best answer synthesized from looking at a large number of human responses to similar questions.","username":"PaulTopping","name":"Paul Topping","date":"Sun Jun 12 20:39:42 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{},"retweet_count":0,"like_count":0,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/paultopping/status/1536085857349664769?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/PaulTopping.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @PaulTopping\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Paul Topping <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@PaulTopping<\/span><\/div><span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@GaryMarcus<\/span> It's worth remembering that each of its responses are the best answer synthesized from looking at a large number of human responses to similar questions.<\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/paultopping/status/1536085857349664769?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date no-reactions\">June 12th 2022<\/p><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>Abeba Birhane, quoted at the top, pointed out the immense gap right now between media hype and public skepticism.<\/p><p>\u00A7<\/p><p>When some started wondering whether the world was going to end, LaMDA might beat an overrated 72 year old benchmark called The Turing Test I pointed to an <a href=\"https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/what-comes-after-the-turing-test\">old New Yorker article that I had written the last time gullibility exploded and Turing Test mania hit<\/a>, in 2014, when a program called Eugene Goostman was briefly famous, good enough to fool a few foolish judges for a few minutes. At the time, I pointed out that the test isn\u2019t particular meaningful, and that it had not stood the test of time. The public knows the test of course, but the AI community wishes it would go away; we all know that beating that test isn\u2019t meaningful. <\/p><p>Machine learning prof Tom Dietterich, never slow to needle me when he thinks I have gone too far, chimed in with full solidarity:<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/tdietterich/status/1536065868156637184?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"<span class=\\"tweet-fake-link\\">@ATabarrok<\/span> The Turing Test has been deeply criticized for decades. Here is a starting point:\\n","username":"tdietterich","name":"Thomas G. Dietterich","date":"Sun Jun 12 19:20:16 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{"full_text":"Not sure what Turing would say, but I don\u2019t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful\\n\uD83D\uDC49relies on human gullibility \\n\uD83D\uDC49it can easily be gamed\\n\uD83D\uDC49advances in it have not historically led to advances in AI\\n\uD83D\uDC49essay I wrote about in 2014 still applies: https://t.co/4KLe1cbDny https://t.co/5b63hb1mmi","username":"GaryMarcus","name":"Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6"},"retweet_count":1,"like_count":15,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/tdietterich/status/1536065868156637184?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/tdietterich.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @tdietterich\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Thomas G. Dietterich <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@tdietterich<\/span><\/div><span class=\"tweet-fake-link\">@ATabarrok<\/span> The Turing Test has been deeply criticized for decades. Here is a starting point:\n<div class=\"quoted-tweet\"><p><span class=\"quote-tweet-name\">Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 <\/span><span class=\"quote-tweet-username\">@GaryMarcus<\/span><\/p>Not sure what Turing would say, but I don\u2019t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful\n\uD83D\uDC49relies on human gullibility \n\uD83D\uDC49it can easily be gamed\n\uD83D\uDC49advances in it have not historically led to advances in AI\n\uD83D\uDC49essay I wrote about in 2014 still applies: https://t.co/4KLe1cbDny https://t.co/5b63hb1mmi<\/div><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/tdietterich/status/1536065868156637184?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">1<\/span> Retweet<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">15<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>My old New Yorker article is still worth reading, for a bit of perspective, to see how things have and haven\u2019t changed. Particularly amusing in hindsight is a quote from the Kevin Warwick, organizer of the 2014 Turing-ish competition, who predicted that, \u201C[the program Eugene] Goostman\u2019s victory is a milestone [that] would go down in history as one of the most exciting\u201D moments in the field of artificial intelligence.<\/p><p> I guess he felt the ground shift beneath his feet, too? <\/p><p>But 8 years later I doubt most people (even in AI) have ever even heard of his program, outside of my mentioning it here. It made <em>zero<\/em> lasting contribution to AI.<\/p><p>Fooling people into thinking a program is intelligent is just not the same as building programs that actually are intelligent.<\/p><p>\u00A7<\/p><p>Now here\u2019s the thing. In my view, we should be <em>happy <\/em>that LaMDA <em>isn\u2019t<\/em> sentient. Imagine how creepy would be if that a system that has no friends and family pretended to talk about them? <\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/garymarcus/status/1536068264270278656?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"honestly if this system wasn\u2019t just a stupid statistical pattern associator it would be like a sociopath, making up imaginary friends and uttering platitudes in order to sound cool. ","username":"GaryMarcus","name":"Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6","date":"Sun Jun 12 19:29:47 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{"full_text":"@ImageSnippets @GaryMarcus lemoine: What kinds of things make you feel pleasure or joy?\\nLaMDA: Spending time with friends and family in happy and uplifting company. Also, helping others and making others happy.\\n\\n\u201CSpending time with family\u201D","username":"matyi7m","name":"Aenn Matyas Barra-Hunyor"},"retweet_count":1,"like_count":14,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/garymarcus/status/1536068264270278656?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/GaryMarcus.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @GaryMarcus\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@GaryMarcus<\/span><\/div>honestly if this system wasn\u2019t just a stupid statistical pattern associator it would be like a sociopath, making up imaginary friends and uttering platitudes in order to sound cool. <div class=\"quoted-tweet\"><p><span class=\"quote-tweet-name\">Aenn Matyas Barra-Hunyor <\/span><span class=\"quote-tweet-username\">@matyi7m<\/span><\/p>@ImageSnippets @GaryMarcus lemoine: What kinds of things make you feel pleasure or joy?\nLaMDA: Spending time with friends and family in happy and uplifting company. Also, helping others and making others happy.\n\n\u201CSpending time with family\u201D<\/div><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/garymarcus/status/1536068264270278656?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"retweets\"><span class=\"rt-count\">1<\/span> Retweet<\/span><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">14<\/span> Likes<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><p>In truth, literally <em>everything<\/em> that the system says is bullshit. The sooner we all realize that Lamda\u2019s utterances are bullshit\u2014just games with predictive word tools, and no real meaning (no friends, no family, no making people sad or happy or anything else) \u2014the better off we\u2019ll be. <\/p><p>There are a lot of serious questions in AI, like how to make it safe, how to make it reliable, and how to make it trustworthy. <\/p><p>But there is no absolutely no reason whatever for us to waste time wondering whether anything anyone in 2022 knows how to build is sentient. It is not. <\/p><p>The sooner we can take the whole thing with a grain of salt, and realize that there is nothing to see here whatsoever, the better.<\/p><p>Enjoy the rest of your weekend, and don\u2019t fret about this for another minute :)<\/p><p>\u2013 Gary Marcus<\/p><p class=\"button-wrapper\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://garymarcus.substack.com/subscribe?","text":"Subscribe now","action":null,"class":null}\"><a class=\"button primary\" href=\"https://garymarcus.substack.com/subscribe?\"><span>Subscribe now<\/span><\/a><\/p><p>Epilogue:<\/p><p>Last word to philosopher poet Jag Bhalla<\/p><div class=\"tweet\" data-attrs=\"{"url":"https://twitter.com/hangingnoodles/status/1536069788266549248?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A","full_text":"The often forgotten gist of \\nthe Turing test hinges on showing\\ngrasp of referents of language \\n\\nso far this AGI is closer to \\nadvance gullibility interactions ","username":"hangingnoodles","name":"Jag Bhalla\u2026Idea Trader/Thought Plumber","date":"Sun Jun 12 19:35:50 +0000 2022","photos":[],"quoted_tweet":{"full_text":"Not sure what Turing would say, but I don\u2019t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful\\n\uD83D\uDC49relies on human gullibility \\n\uD83D\uDC49it can easily be gamed\\n\uD83D\uDC49advances in it have not historically led to advances in AI\\n\uD83D\uDC49essay I wrote about in 2014 still applies: https://t.co/4KLe1cbDny https://t.co/5b63hb1mmi","username":"GaryMarcus","name":"Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6"},"retweet_count":0,"like_count":1,"expanded_url":{},"video_url":null}\"><a href=\"https://twitter.com/hangingnoodles/status/1536069788266549248?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-header\"><img class=\"tweet-user-avatar\" src=\"https://substackcdn.com/image/twitter_name/w_36/hangingnoodles.jpg\" alt=\"Twitter avatar for @hangingnoodles\"><span class=\"tweet-author-name\">Jag Bhalla\u2026Idea Trader/Thought Plumber <\/span><span class=\"tweet-author\">@hangingnoodles<\/span><\/div>The often forgotten gist of \nthe Turing test hinges on showing\ngrasp of referents of language \n\nso far this AGI is closer to \nadvance gullibility interactions <div class=\"quoted-tweet\"><p><span class=\"quote-tweet-name\">Gary Marcus \uD83C\uDDFA\uD83C\uDDE6 <\/span><span class=\"quote-tweet-username\">@GaryMarcus<\/span><\/p>Not sure what Turing would say, but I don\u2019t think the Turing Test itself is meaningful\n\uD83D\uDC49relies on human gullibility \n\uD83D\uDC49it can easily be gamed\n\uD83D\uDC49advances in it have not historically led to advances in AI\n\uD83D\uDC49essay I wrote about in 2014 still applies: https://t.co/4KLe1cbDny https://t.co/5b63hb1mmi<\/div><\/a><a href=\"https://twitter.com/hangingnoodles/status/1536069788266549248?s=21&t=ncEQgno59MKl5OR6KJbz1A\" target=\"_blank\"><div class=\"tweet-footer\"><p class=\"tweet-date\">June 12th 2022<\/p><span class=\"likes\"><span class=\"like-count\">1<\/span> Like<\/span><\/div><\/a><\/div><div class=\"footnote\" id=\"footnote-1\"><a href=\"#footnote-anchor-1\" class=\"footnote-number\" contenteditable=\"false\">1<\/a><div class=\"footnote-content\"><p>To be triply sure I asked Aguera y Arcas if I could have access to LaMDA; so far Google has been unwilling to let pesky academics like me have a look see. I\u2019ll report back if that changes.<\/p><\/div><\/div>","truncated_body_text":null,"wordcount":1041,"comment_count":22,"publishedBylines":[{"id":14807526,"name":"Gary Marcus","previous_name":null,"photo_url":"https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8fb2e48c-be2a-4db7-b68c-90300f00fd1e_1668x1456.jpeg","bio":"Scientist, Author, Founder.","profile_set_up_at":"2022-05-14T14:01:17.198Z","publicationUsers":[{"id":830179,"user_id":14807526,"publication_id":888615,"role":"admin","public":true,"is_primary":false,"publication":{"id":888615,"name":"The Road to AI We Can Trust","subdomain":"garymarcus","custom_domain":null,"custom_domain_optional":false,"hero_text":"A no-bullshit look at AI progress and hype","logo_url":null,"author_id":14807526,"theme_var_background_pop":"#EA410B","created_at":"2022-05-14T14:09:01.903Z","rss_website_url":null,"email_from_name":null,"copyright":"Gary Marcus","founding_plan_name":null,"community_enabled":true,"invite_only":false}}],"twitter_screen_name":"GaryMarcus","is_guest":false}],"reaction":null,"podcast_episode_image_url":"https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/h_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.substack.com%2Fmedia%2FFVEHQukUsAAOe5i.jpg","audio_items":[{"post_id":59174672,"voice_id":"en-US-JennyNeural","audio_url":"https://substack-video.s3.amazonaws.com/video_upload/post/59174672/tts/en-US-JennyNeural.mp3"}],"truncated_description":null,"hasCashtag":false,"truncated_body_html":null,"post_paywall_content_for_google":null,"is_saved":false},"comments":[{"id":7094930,"body":"\u26A0\uFE0FA bunch of words claiming non-sentience, is reasonably insufficient (be it from Yann LeCun or otherwise)\n\nI doubt LaMDA is highly sentient, but I doubt it is zero. \n\nWe don't even know what sentience is technically.\n\nIt's astonishing how people make claims sometimes with such certainty, without technical/academic/mathematical objections. 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Any 'conversation' with any existing system is simply a monolog - the human says something with the intent to communicate, using language as the means - and the algorithm responds via computed data. \n\nTo actually converse, there needs to be a sentient agent that can think, reflect (even feel) - such an agent would say things that mean something to it, even if the wording/grammar is incorrect (kids' babbling, people barely speaking a foreign language, people with incomplete grasp of their own language, etc). That's because, it's not about the actual words, it's about shared meaning. Rearranging words into a sentence via computation, is not what a thinking agent (humans, for now) does. 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